{"id":4054,"date":"2014-06-28T15:04:08","date_gmt":"2014-06-28T14:04:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/sl.governormarley.com\/?p=4054"},"modified":"2014-06-28T15:04:08","modified_gmt":"2014-06-28T14:04:08","slug":"ebbe-altberg-throws-down-the-gauntlet-regarding-fixing-second-life-group-chat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sl.governormarley.com\/?p=4054","title":{"rendered":"Ebbe Altberg Throws Down The Gauntlet Regarding Fixing Second Life Group Chat"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I like Ebbe Altberg, he talks to the community, <a title=\"Ebbe Faces Anger\" href=\"http:\/\/community.secondlife.com\/t5\/General-Discussion-Forum\/Linden-Lab-is-building-a-NEW-virtual-world\/m-p\/2757368#M185457\" target=\"_blank\">he&#8217;s not afraid to tell people they are angry<\/a> :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Wow, you are an angry person. Ok, so, why are you so angry?<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>He talks to the press and has recently been talking to Re\/Code in an article entitled :\u00a0<a title=\"Re\/Code article\" href=\"http:\/\/recode.net\/2014\/06\/27\/second-life-creator-linden-lab-says-virtual-worlds-and-virtual-reality-belong-together\/\" target=\"_blank\">Second Life Creator Linden Lab Says Virtual Worlds and Virtual Reality Belong Together<\/a>. Early on in that article we see that Ebbe has learnt how to talk the talk :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cWe don\u2019t call it a game,\u201d says Linden Lab CEO Ebbe Altberg, almost before our interview has begun.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>He\u2019s talking about Linden\u2019s most famous product, Second Life, now 11 years old. That\u2019s old by game \u2014 sorry, \u201cvirtual world\u201d \u2014 standards, but its \u201csignificant revenue\u201d means the 185-person company is profitable, Altberg said. Coming to Linden from BranchOut after the departure of CEO Rod Humble in January, Altberg does not mince words about Second Life\u2019s past mistakes.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That article also talks about Oclus Rift usage in Second Life, <a title=\"Jo Yardley\" href=\"http:\/\/joyardley.wordpress.com\/2014\/04\/01\/oculussl\/\" target=\"_blank\">including a shout out to Jo Yardley of 1920&#8217;s Berlin<\/a> without mentioning her name :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u201cOne creator went into her virtual world in Oculus for the first time and was crying,\u201d Altberg said. \u201cIt\u2019s very powerful stuff.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Philip Rosedale also features in the article with talk of High Fidelity but I&#8217;m going off on a tangent here, the point is Ebbe engages and it&#8217;s very encouraging. However one of the problems with engaging is that everything you say is dissected, analysed and at times misunderstood. Then there&#8217;s the fact that what you say is remembered, especially on the internet. So it was with some surprise that I witnessed Ebbe getting involved in <a title=\"Ebbe In Group Chat change\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Belladonna066\/status\/482329559317352448\" target=\"_blank\">a Twitter exchange about group chat<\/a>. Not only did Ebbe get involved, he actually suggested that group chat will be fixed before the new world launches, an extremely bold claim indeed.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Things started with a Tweet from Belladonna066 : <em>How about you fix this SL chat before you build a whole NEW SL? Grrr<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ebbealtberg\">@ebbealtberg<\/a> how about you fix this SL chat before you build a whole NEW SL? Grrr<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 M.J. (@Belladonna066) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Belladonna066\/statuses\/482329559317352448\">June 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" async=\"\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>Jo Yardley entered the fray suggesting that maybe this was something that would be better served in the new world and then along came Ebbe, who said :\u00a0<em>We&#8217;ll fix chat way before then. Top priority for the SL team.<\/em> <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" lang=\"en\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/1920sberlin\">@1920sberlin<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Belladonna066\">@Belladonna066<\/a> We&#8217;ll fix chat way before then. Top priority for the SL team. \u2014 Ebbe Altberg (@ebbealtberg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ebbealtberg\/statuses\/482671265866457088\">June 27, 2014<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" async=\"\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Indeed he reiterated that they would fix group chat in a follow up Tweet too. This is a very bold suggestion from Ebbe, not least because group chat in Second Life has been problematic for so long. The problems have been around for years, Linden Lab have to their credit fixed some of the older issues, for example back in July 2006 <a title=\"Group Chat Timing Out\" href=\"http:\/\/forums-archive.secondlife.com\/139\/8b\/121013\/1.html\" target=\"_blank\">Wrestling Hulka asked Torley<\/a> if there was any way to stop\u00a0group chat timing out. Torley responded that it was a known issue and should be on the to do list. I don&#8217;t see reports of group chat timing out due to people not participating these days, so that was done.<\/p>\n<p>A more common problem <a title=\"Group Chat Issue\" href=\"http:\/\/forums-archive.secondlife.com\/111\/ed\/227260\/1.html\" target=\"_blank\">was reported in December 2007<\/a>, the issue of not being able to start a new group chat session. By March 2008 <a title=\"Eyerocker Picket\" href=\"http:\/\/forums-archive.secondlife.com\/327\/1c\/248645\/1.html\" target=\"_blank\">Eyerocker Picket&#8217;s frustrations with group chat boiled over<\/a> :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>sorry for yelling but I&#8217;m at wits end here&#8230;.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>WTF will it take for them to fix the broken group chat. Its been like this for months and months and is even getting worse.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>GAWD it takes sometime over 15 min for a message to go thru. Sometime it dont even go. There used to be a message saying you had an error&#8230;but now thats broken too.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Linden Lab haven&#8217;t ignored the issues, they have made improvements and continue to work on them. However to <a title=\"Kelly Linden\" href=\"http:\/\/modemworld.wordpress.com\/2014\/03\/18\/sl-projects-updates-121-group-chat\/\" target=\"_blank\">quote Kelly Linden from a Simulator user Group meeting<\/a> held on 18th March 2014 :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>As Ebbe has confirmed someone is looking at and working on group chat. However it is a non-trivial problem saddled with a lot of legacy and high expectations. I have reviewed some of the changes so I do know changes are being made that sound like they will make improvements.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I should also point out here that Ebbe&#8217;s confirmation to group chat being worked on also appeared on Twitter, in response to a complaint about group chat from Belladonna066.,,,,,<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Inara Pey Reports\" href=\"http:\/\/modemworld.wordpress.com\/2014\/03\/21\/sl-projects-updates-122-group-chat\/\" target=\"_blank\">Inara Pey also reported more information from work being being carried out on group chat<\/a>. In this post Inara quotes Simon Linden :<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>Basically I dug into the code and found some inefficient parts and cleaned them up. I also added more metrics, so I\u2019m hoping it can show an improvement. I\u2019m pretty sure it will be better, but it\u2019s really hard to guess how much better. I\u2019m hoping to test it on the main grid soon. It would get put on a server and then it would affect a fraction of the groups. I can pick one group to target and make sure it covers that group.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Linden Lab are to be admired in many ways for trying to fix group chat, I mean it does work to a degree and a lot of people are used to its quirks but Ebbe really is being rather bold in suggesting it will be fixed, but you have to give him some kudos for being so bold regarding such a troublesome issue.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s even a website dedicated to group chat in Second Life : <a title=\"Is Second Life Group Chat Still Broken?\" href=\"http:\/\/isslgroupchatstillbroken.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Is Second Life Group Chat Still Broken?<\/a>\u00a0Ebbe&#8217;s challenge it seems is to make that site owner update their site! 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